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Occams Razor A live action role-playing game (LARP), using the Accelerant Rules System. 2015-06-13T00:02:52+00:00 https://occamsrazorlarp.com/forum/feed.php?f=14&t=550 2015-06-13T00:02:52+00:00 2015-06-13T00:02:52+00:00 https://occamsrazorlarp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550&p=6055#p6055 <![CDATA[Re: Charcoal rubbings]]> I think the borders simply define the words when reading in a serpentine fashion.

I read it through again and once the serpentine made sense then lockdown worked. Hmm...

:: she frowns ::
It's easy to think that the numbers interspersed in the message are the code but... why are they interspersed the way they are? I wish we could figure out what that last word is. I see the letters siteacnpno but can't come up with a 10 letter word with those letters in it. And since those last two circles have the same border it suggests they are a single word. I'm trying to figure context of a sentence that reads "due to potential pressure WORD"

I'm also trying to figure out the first sentence. Hive 24 could be either Hive with the word 24 as part of a numerical code or it could refer to a 24th Hive. I'd also really like to know what the word is made up of letters EXTRAPOLI. Either the sentence reads Hive ?, meaning the word is an adjective tied to Hive, like hive nursery with the sentence going something like Hive nursery on vessel under the command of swarm ? queen. Or the words we don't quite have really need to be broken as they may tie together like EXTRAPOLI LEAST. I say this because after the 525 reference the sentences become coherent
:: she reads ::
in the event of an emergency all hatches will enter default lockdown position.
:: she looks up ::
that is really coherent. But
:: back to the paper ::
Hive EXTRAPOLI on vessel under the command of swarm LEAST Queen emergency hatch... that's an awful odd sentence structure. It lacks the flow of the other sentences, suggesting there is something more to that first sentence. What I will have to think about.

The term Book Code keeps playing through my mind.
:: She stops, sweeps the collected group with her gaze ::
You know, when you are given a key that directs you to read specific words in a book such as the Bible or a book of poetry? Only that doesn't quite pay out if you start with the sentence that makes sense and start counting words. Still...
:: shrug ::
maybe it might spark someone else's thoughts about how to use the numbers? As this is just a thought exercise, and my comments in no way reflect on anyone's idea of what this thing actually is, I won't speculate as to what Billy said. I just want to understand the puzzle.

:: Under her breath she mutters ::
Key to release that thing? The instructions seem a way to open locked down hatches on a vessel. Is the implication that space under the power plant is a vessel in lockdown and she's trapped inside because of this lockdown? Or is it something arcane couched in something mundane? If it is the former and she was locked into the vessel it could mean that she was a crew member in which case shouldn't she know how to get out? Or, maybe she was the emergency and she consumed everyone in the vessel once it went into lockdown.

:: she raises her voice to a normal level ::
Anyone have any quick ideas about the weird syntax in this puzzle?
:: she emphasizes the last word ::

Statistics: Posted by kimp — Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:02 am


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2015-06-12T13:28:25+00:00 2015-06-12T13:28:25+00:00 https://occamsrazorlarp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550&p=6051#p6051 <![CDATA[Re: Charcoal rubbings]]>
And we need to figure out the Authorization code.

Border 1 Words
HIVE
VESSEL
SWARM
QUEEN
HATCH
EVENT
EMERGENCY
HATCHES
LOCKDOWN
POSITION
COMPUTER
MATRIX
AUTHORIZATION
CODE
OPENING
PRESSURE

Border 2 Words
COMMAND
ENTER
OPEN
REBOOT
ENTER
STAND
PREVENT
INJURY
DEPONSATION (or whatever that word is supposed to be)

Border 3 Words
TWO
FOUR
EXPILATOR (If this is right,...)
ON
EIGHT
UNDER
LEAST
THREE
SIX
EMERGENCY (Once here, twice with Border 1)
FIVE
ALL
WILL
DEFAULT
CLEAR
BYPASS
POTENTIAL

No Border Words
THE
OF
IN
AN
TO
A
DURING
AND
DUE

So the borders could be for types of words. Nouns, Verbs, Adjectives + Numbers, and Prepositions. One use of EMERGENCY is as an adjective for HATCH, the other uses may be the noun form...


Then the numbers... Leaving out everything else, the numbers given are:
2 4
8 4 2 2
3 6
5 2 5

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2015-06-11T23:34:56+00:00 2015-06-11T23:34:56+00:00 https://occamsrazorlarp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550&p=6050#p6050 <![CDATA[Re: Charcoal rubbings]]> What are you suggesting? I'm just doing a puzzle.
:: Her lips quirk slightly ::
Which I do often here. Along with playing with toys and building towers out of kitchen items.
:: she lowers her voice to a conspiratorial level ::
Don't tell Flo about that last one.

:: she makes a show of straightening the ridiculous volume of her notes, flipping them face down on the table, then leans towards Ed to say in a low voice ::
I'm not sure that word is lockd-own. Unless the D and C symbols are on top of each other?
:: she frowns. ::
Which would explain the slight bump in the center of that bar.
:: she goes quiet for a moment staring unblinking at the wall then cisibly refocuses ::
If it isn't lockd-own I'm thinking it could be Blood. Long horizontals are O. Vertical line with two end caps is D. Shallow outward parens is L. And the deep parens from top and bottom, which I call X not X is B. Double the O and you have blood. Because circles 105 and 139 are the same symbol pattern but aren't followed by OWN.

The fragmented quality of the words and syntax hurt my brain, and I'm not sure why Ion would follow Blood but.
:: she shrugs ::
Otherwise you and I broke it down close to the same.

But I do wonder if there is a code in the code. The amount of numbers mentioned tweaks my mind. I once did a puzzle that involved solving 30 plus other puzzles, taking the answers to those puzzles and connecting them in a long string of word associations, then breaking the letters in the words down into their numerical values to get a 3 digit numerical code to unlock a combination lock.

I'm not saying that's what this puzzle involves but I still question the inclusion of so many numbers. Maybe they are just the key built into the code, getting two and eight helped me figure out many of the other symbols, or maybe there's more to it.

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2015-06-10T02:02:25+00:00 2015-06-10T02:02:25+00:00 https://occamsrazorlarp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550&p=6048#p6048 <![CDATA[Re: Charcoal rubbings]]> "Hey Lou! How goes the plan for getting you a Silver level Health plan?"
Turning to Billie
"Don't worry. I have........ this taped up on the wall in Flo's back room. The one...... I normally run my free therapy clinic out of. Since my....... shop is temporarily closed, it's only people back here that I let back here. I agree..... we may not want regular townfolk worried about it. Though the Sheriff did wander by asking something about popcorn"
*Knocking his pipe against the seat, he puts it back between his teeth. No one has ever seen him light the thing though*
"Ed, some........ damn fine points there. You have..... a knack for this. Liberty, good...... work sorting through all of this."

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2015-06-09T18:15:02+00:00 2015-06-09T18:15:02+00:00 https://occamsrazorlarp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550&p=6047#p6047 <![CDATA[Re: Charcoal rubbings]]> Statistics: Posted by sndwurks — Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:15 pm


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2015-06-09T17:07:18+00:00 2015-06-09T17:07:18+00:00 https://occamsrazorlarp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550&p=6046#p6046 <![CDATA[Re: Charcoal rubbings]]> Statistics: Posted by ronfiction — Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:07 pm


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2015-06-09T14:51:03+00:00 2015-06-09T14:51:03+00:00 https://occamsrazorlarp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550&p=6045#p6045 <![CDATA[Re: Charcoal rubbings]]> Statistics: Posted by Madrigus — Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:51 pm


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2015-06-09T14:47:28+00:00 2015-06-09T14:47:28+00:00 https://occamsrazorlarp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550&p=6044#p6044 <![CDATA[Re: Charcoal rubbings]]> Statistics: Posted by lackey — Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:47 pm


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2015-06-09T16:07:27+00:00 2015-06-09T14:44:14+00:00 https://occamsrazorlarp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550&p=6043#p6043 <![CDATA[Re: Charcoal rubbings]]> Power Plant Key.jpgLiberty, your symbol 83 is the square with the X in it, yes? Page 6, 3rd one in the top row? So I see it as:

O: Two horizontal Lines (longer and closer than E)
P: Outward Brackets
E: Two horizontal lines (spread far)
N: X

The Square is made up of the Brackets that form P and the Lines that form O. The lines at the very top and bottom are for the E.

The P is on it's own on page 9, the only one in the 2nd row. I think you'd call it #136. That is the first part of the word BYPASS, with the next S as #140. The top of the bracket gets lost in #83 with the horizontal lines that form the O.

#81 is different. It is LOCKD, continued in #85 to form LOCKDOWN. I call it L, outward parenthesis, shallow.

L: Outward Parenthesis, shallow
O: Two horizontal Lines (longer and closer than E)
C: Spear (point up)
K: Almost an X, top and bottom
D: Line (top and bottom have caps)

#81 is tricky for two reasons. First, look close, the X does not meet at the middle, making it different from #83. Second, there are two vertical symbols on top of each other. One is C, the Spear, which you can see more clearly on Page 2, 3rd on the top, #19. It has a bump in the middle, but the top is a point. But #81 has a cap on the point, meaning that there is also D, Line there. You can see D more clearly on #18 or #23, both also on Page 2.


For circles, #37 is the first half of QUEEN, or QUE. The second half is #41.

Q: Large circle
U: small circle
E: Two horizontal lines (spread far)

#34 is the first half of THREE, or THRE. The second half is #37.

T: Large V
H: Parenthesis
R: Medium circle
E: Two horizontal lines (spread far)

Those two give us examples of our three single circles, Q, R, and U.

The stand alone symbols are:
L: Outward Parenthesis, shallow.
Which you call 2. Read the symbols from top to bottom, starting at the left. Two symbols in a row combine to form a word, otherwise there is a space. Symbol #77 is AL, followed by Symbol #66, L, so that word is ALL. Symbol #67 is WIL, followed by Symbol #71, L, so that word is WILL.

A: Tee-pee
Which you call 8. This is the only actual stand-alone letter, as there is an empty circle above it and below it at symbol #91. It is also symbol #113.

S: Two small circles, vertical
Which you call 24. Symbol #140 is the second half of Symbol #136, which I mentioned above. #136 is BYPAS and #140 is S, to form BYPASS.


When the same letter appears twice in a word, it isn't always broken into two symbols, but it often is. EVENT, VESSEL, and HATCH all seem to be one symbol, appearing to me as VENT, HATC, and VESL.

Statistics: Posted by lackey — Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:44 pm


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2015-06-09T13:27:06+00:00 2015-06-09T13:27:06+00:00 https://occamsrazorlarp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550&p=6042#p6042 <![CDATA[Re: Charcoal rubbings]]>
"Hey guys, what cha working on? kinda looks like a cross word puzzle. Or is it one of those fancy So-doke-koos?"

He says brushing his dirty hands on his red flannel shirt.

Statistics: Posted by ronfiction — Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:27 pm


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2015-06-09T13:25:48+00:00 2015-06-09T13:25:48+00:00 https://occamsrazorlarp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550&p=6041#p6041 <![CDATA[Re: Charcoal rubbings]]> But, what about this? It either is a square or its two vertical lines - evenly spaced - combined with the horizontal longer pair of parallel lines.

It also appears in 93, 107, 145, 156, and 162.
:: she pauses, looks down, and up again::
I think. I've been debating if its vertical parallels or a box, but I really think those vertical lines are perfectly straight and therefore an additional symbol. See, this one
:: she pokes #81 ::
has that very slight outward curve. Compare it to the one in 83. No curve, no matter how much I squint. And I have squinted. Several times.

Also
:: She pokes one paper forward with her finger, then stabs at the circle numbered 37 ::
The circle in this one is bigger than the other large circles. Unless that's for emphasis, but I don't think it is. See, you can compare it to this circle
:: she pokes at circle #34 ::
Or this one
:: she pokes circle # 43 ::
which are all represented to the same scale and the one in 37 is bigger. It isn't an optical illusion.

What you've translated seems to work and it supports your theory but I think there are 28 symbols, not 26. See?
:: she spreads her fingers, indicating the two papers marked at the top "Base Elements"::
(( attached ; Sorry they're small - size limit on attachments) ))
I was trying to figure out why there are 3 symbols that stand alone
:: she points ::
2, 8, and 24. The one I numbered 2 is alone in circles 66 and 71. Number 8 is alone in 91 and number 24 is alone in 140. I started thinking it was a triple code, which would explain the 28 symbols.

If you can see something I can't I'm fine with that, but...
:: shrug ::
yeah. I want to be on board with your translation but...
:: she waves at the notes ::

Statistics: Posted by kimp — Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:25 pm


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2015-06-08T14:01:52+00:00 2015-06-08T14:01:52+00:00 https://occamsrazorlarp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550&p=6040#p6040 <![CDATA[Re: Charcoal rubbings]]>
HIVE TWO FOUR EXPILATOR ON *VESSEL* EIGHT FOUR TWO TWO UNDER THE COMMAND OF SWARM *LEAST* QUEEN THREE SIX. EMERGENCY *HATCH* FIVE TWO FIVE IN THE *EVENT* OF AN EMERGENCY ALL *HATCHES* WILL ENTER DEFAULT LOCKDOWN POSITION. TO OPEN A *HATCH* DURING A LOCKDOWN REBOOT THE COMPUTER MATRIX AND ENTER THE AUTHORIZATION CODE. STAND CLEAR OF THE *HATCH* DURING EMERGENCY LOCKDOWN BYPASS OPENING TO PREVENT INJURY DUE TO POTENTIAL PRESSURE *DENOSPATION*

So we are not dealing with mutant bugs. We are dealing with a sophisticated alien race of insects that have computers and the capability to wear human skin to infiltrate our society. And we have an idea of how to open their spaceships up by triggering an emergency, rebooting their matrix and having a code to enter....

Statistics: Posted by lackey — Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:01 pm


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2015-06-08T20:03:40+00:00 2015-06-08T13:49:04+00:00 https://occamsrazorlarp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550&p=6039#p6039 <![CDATA[Re: Charcoal rubbings]]> So, it is hard to explain this code since a lot of it is picture based.

You read the symbols from top to bottom, left to right. Each symbol is a word, although I am not sure what the borders mean. If two symbols are right after each other, then they are combined to form a word, usually because a letter is used in that word twice. An empty circle is a space, a complete blank is the end of a sentence.

Each symbol can be broken up into different shapes. Those shapes are letters, although we do not know the order. A rough code is:

A: Tee-pee
B: Sword (hilt up)
C: Spear (point up)
D: Line (top and bottom have caps)
E: Two horizontal lines (spread far)
F: Two Horseshoes
G: Low V
H: Parenthesis
I: Upside-down Tee-pee
J: Central Zigzag
K: Almost an X, top and bottom
L: Outward Parenthesis, shallow
M: Like L, but deeper
N: X
O: Two horizontal Lines (longer and closer than E)
P: Outward Brackets
Q: Large circle
R: Medium circle
S: Two small circles, vertical
T: Large V
U: small circle
V: Horizontal Line
W: tiny outward parenthesis
X: Two small circles, horizontal
Y: Two medium circles, horizontal
Z: Five Pointed Star

Since we don't know the order of the letters, you then need to do an anagram of what you have to see what fits. The results are roughly (possible errors...). ***** is the end of sentence. [] is a space.

Page 1:
HIVE FOUR ON EIGHT
[] [] [] []
TWO EXPILATOR VESL FOUR
[] [] [] []

Page 2:
TWO UNDER COM []
[] [] MAND SWARM
TWO THE [] []
[] [] OF LEAST

Page 3
[] THRE [] *****
QUE E EM CATH
EN [] ERG []
[] SIX ENCY FIVE

Page 4
[] ***** [] []
TWO IN VENT AN
[] [] [] []
FIVE THE OF EM

Page 5
ERG L WIL ER
ENCY [] L []
[] TSHECA [] DEFAULT
AL [] ENT []

Page 6
LOCKD ION OPEN CHAT
OWN ***** [] []
[] TO A DURING
POSIT [] [] []

Page 7
A [] THE MATRIX
[] REBO [] []
LOCKD OT COMPUTER AND
NOW [] [] []

Page 8
ENT [] CODE CLEAR
ER AUTHORIZ ***** []
[] ATION STAND OF
THE [] [] []

Page 9
THE DURING [] ENCY
[] [] [] BYPAS
CHAT EM LOCKD S
[] ERG OWN []

Page 10
OPENI [] INJURY TO
NG PREV [] []
[] ENT DUE POTEN
TO [] [] TIAL

Page 11
[] DENOSPATI
PRES ON
SURE
[]

Proper message in the next post, just to make this clear.

Statistics: Posted by lackey — Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:49 pm


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2015-06-05T09:42:09+00:00 2015-06-05T09:42:09+00:00 https://occamsrazorlarp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550&p=6036#p6036 <![CDATA[Re: Charcoal rubbings]]> Ed, can you share your ideas? I went through all 166 of these and found all the base symbols. I was going to break each down, listing which symbol is in each circle, but it doesn't make sense to do so if that's the wrong direction to go in.

:: the side of her mouth twitches on a rueful smile ::
I've already wasted time going in an initial direction of thinking the symbols themselves are something anyone has seen like alchemical symbols or Demon Sigils or Enochian, before I settled on finding the common, simplest elements across them. No time is wasted in solving a problem, Blues learn that early, but you also have to know when to cut line.

So, what are your thoughts?

:: After a second she shakes her head and adds ::
I am not even going to tackle what this thing does, because I'm with Billy in wondering if its a great idea to release yet another thing around here as a solution to a problem without considering the consequences. It's like starting a controlled burn to stop a wildfire, only to have the controlled burn go for months and destroy far more than the original wildfire would have done. New Mexico.
:: the last is added in a tone that assumes the others there will understand the reference, then she gives a subtle frown and looks down and to the side ::
I will say that my last dream involved a lot of chittering bug sounds and alien eyes around a theme of people in asylums being observed and tortured. If that thing is some kind of bug alien, observing us or has been observing us or...
:: She stops abruptly and shakes her head, then finishes with ::
Right now this is just an intellectual puzzle for me.

:: The corner of her mouth quirks again ::
I like puzzles.

Statistics: Posted by kimp — Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:42 am


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2015-06-05T02:30:01+00:00 2015-06-05T02:30:01+00:00 https://occamsrazorlarp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550&p=6035#p6035 <![CDATA[Re: Charcoal rubbings]]>
He shakes his head quietly.

"Alien. She's alien. But she told me that her children are going insane without her, and they are lashing out. And if we are going to stop them from destroying Amertume and Whisper Hill, we need to open the cage she has been locked in and let her be free. Which, frankly? I'm about as keen to do as I am keen to drive a car off a cliff into a river. I got nothing making me believe she's any better than the thing under the stone. But I don't think she was lying to me when she told me that her children will destroy this town if she doesn't stop them.

"Plus, that all falls pretty in line with everything my other sources have been telling me about her, so... none of it was very helpful. From what little I was able to put together from what she told me? This is a key to her cell. She did not give me any proper names. Sorry."

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